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Joe Carr
Welcome to the Providence College podcast. My name is Joe Carr. Our guest today is Bobby Freed, a proud member of the Providence College Class of 1967. Bobby is a best selling author and a marketing executive who is animated by helping people achieve true success. By, as he says, achieving the balance between making money and making meaning. Those principles are outlined in his book, Igniting Your True Purpose and Passion, which we will discuss in just a couple of minutes.

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Joe Carr
Bobby, welcome to the podcast.

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Bobby Fried
Thanks for having me, Joe. Good to be with you.

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Joe Carr
So describe what you see when you look out the window of your home in Carmel, California, on a beautiful, sunny summer morning.

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Bobby Fried
Well, I don't want to make you jealous, but I see spectacular waves hitting rocks coming towards my window with the beautiful pine trees surrounding it. And this is Carmel by the Sea. Sounds like Clint Eastwood with your mare here.

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Joe Carr
All right. Right. Sounds beautiful. So, so good for you. We like to start our alumni interviews kind of at the beginning, and that is I'd like to ask you to tell us what brought you to P.S. in the first place back in the early 1960s.

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Bobby Fried
Sure. Well, I chose PC over, going over, because when I stepped on this beautiful campus, when a lot of buildings in those days, a lot of trees, though, I felt this was kind of a small but beautiful school where big dreams could happen. It kind of reminds me a bit of that, that little engine that could, if you will, my academic interest with writing and good communication, presentation dynamics.

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Bobby Fried
And as you know, Providence is has splendid English and history courses which excelled in writing. I would say this, you see, instilled in me kind of a sense of core values, a sense of right or wrong, which served me well later in both business and in life. Unknown Well, I like many others, really treasured my experience.

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Joe Carr
And you and I were talking the other day, and you mentioned you moved up here from New Jersey. So you grew up kind of outside New York City and in northern New Jersey?

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Bobby Fried
Yeah, that's correct. My dad had a landmark restaurant and overlooking the New York skyline. On the Jersey side was Hoboken, New Jersey. It was a little rough in those days. And now I think their old brownstone for 2.5 million as they knocked down the docks.

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Joe Carr
You talk a lot, Bobby, about having passions in life. And for you, one of those is Friar basketball. What are some of the highlights that come to mind when you think of following the Friars over the course of, well, about six decades?

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Bobby Fried
Well, I am a huge friar and college basketball fan. As a kid, I watched the vineyards, the Ray Flynn win the night at the old Garden. In those days, as you know, the the night was probably bigger than the the NCAA tournament. I was a PC doing those fabulous Jimmy Walker, Mike Reardon and a guy that under the radar, Dexter Westbrook, who was an undersized center but a great passer.

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Bobby Fried
Those years were great. We were one game from the Final Four when he ran through a guy by the name of Bill Bradley. And it's Princeton again. We lost by 40. Of course, we all remember the final four runner, Bernie G. And Marvin Barnes, heroics of, I guess, Billy the Kid in 87. I was there. I flew from L.A. to Providence.

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Bobby Fried
I saw Pat Lewis at that three in the corner to beat Georgetown and and John Thompson and Rick Pitino with a big smile on his face.

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Bobby Fried
I remember one shot away from the final four in 97. God show my God and Austin Crosier. But I would say this and Joe, I think you might agree with me for sheer excitement and suspense. Who could ever forget the magic carpet ride we just witnessed last year with the cardiac kids that lucky cardiac kids in quotes. It seemed like every game came down to the final 2 minutes and somehow we'd find a way to win with a different player contributing every game.

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Bobby Fried
Not good for the heart, Joe, but for the soul.

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Joe Carr
Well, as someone who follows basketball so closely, I suspect you'll agree with with this my contention that a big part of that is coaching because the coach put national coach of the year, Ed Cooley obviously had the right people in the right place, prepared to execute correctly at the end of those close games. And look what happened. They won just about all of the ball.

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Bobby Fried
Coach had a he pushed all the right buttons, that's for sure. In this this incredible season and well-deserved that he became a coach of the year. We heard Jimmy Walker elected into the Hall of Fame for basketball and so on, all with Sweet 16 Run. What a what a memorable what a memorable ride.

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Joe Carr
Sure was. That's the College Basketball Hall of Fame. And again, thank you for pointing that out. That's an important honor for Jimmy Walker. In the minds of many the greatest friar ever. And maybe we can come back at the end and see if you have a thought on on that that you'd like to share. But let's let's move on a little bit, Bobby, and talk a bit about your career in marketing.

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Joe Carr
Can you give us kind of a thumbnail sketch of of the work that you have done, you've had success in really helping to build some iconic brands? Yeah.

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Bobby Fried
Well, look, I won a scholarship right out of grad school. I went to Boston University, got a master's in marketing, and I wanted to internship at Motorola in Chicago to study under a marketing guru, had written a bestselling book, My Boss Got Sick. And so they sent me to head up the International Marketing Division based in Toronto long before I was ready, just right out of school.

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Bobby Fried
But there I traveled the world on my job, and at a young age I learned to respect the cultures and the ways that people beyond just our own eventually ended up in Los Angeles, directing the successful turnaround of a legendary audio file stereo company called My Ranch. And from there I became a president. And then entrepreneurship kicked in where we co-founded Planet Products.

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Bobby Fried
It was a biodegradable green, and so it was a lineup of laundry and dishes, dishwashing liquid detergents that not only cleaned well, but was great for the environment. And we were among the first to sell green products into a supermarket, not just health food stores, but I think my whole career turned around when I joined this tiny little IRA frame company in Los Angeles as part owner and right place, right time.

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Bobby Fried
We repositioned the company from medical implements, the whole corrective lenses, namely eyewear frames to the fashion accessory business. And we changed the entire eyewear industry by going from medical to creating consumer niches. Let me give an example. All frames at the time looked alike. No, they were preppy and unisex. Men and women didn't distinguish frames one from another, but we went out and licensed names like Laura Ashley for mature women, Eddie Bauer for the Great Outdoors, a coach for American Luxury baby, for a kind of a hint of sensuality and Oakley for sport.

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Bobby Fried
The company was very successful, and we later took it public. And this is where my life took a turn. People, Financial Press, L.A. Times, The Wall Street Journal was telling me how successful I was, but in fact, I was lost. If I was so successful, how come I didn't feel successful? And I think it was probably the narrowly defined way I define true success so amazingly.

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Bobby Fried
I sat down at 430 in the morning before I went to my day job, and I started to write a book about how you find your true purpose and passion and how that can lead to true success. And the book became a runaway bestseller, and I think it's because I was on the same journey as the reader.

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Joe Carr
Interesting how that became a turning point, by the way, Bobbie, what was the name of that? I wear a company.

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Bobby Fried
We call Signature Eyewear because of all the signature brands that.

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Joe Carr
Signature. Gotcha. But back to the book now. So this is a turning point. You're up early in the morning writing this book, which really I've read it. It's terrific. It outlines your philosophy of life and work, and it comes down to some really important selling and core points. And one is this issue of true success is matter of true success.

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Joe Carr
Can you elaborate on what you mean by redefining true success.

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Bobby Fried
Pure success in monetary achievement? I think I've always been an integral part of our American way of life. I think it's part of our very DNA, our very fabric. But now more than ever in these turbulent times, I think we need to take a step back, take a step back and wonder if we haven't been defining success or too narrowly for far too long.

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Bobby Fried
Even in business, it's not just about making money. It's also about meaning. People don't just buy what you make, they buy why you make it. In short, people get this buy valuables from people they value. It's that simple. And I really think Ralph Waldo Emerson had kind of a true handle on success when he said something like to know that even one life, even one life is easy because you have to live.

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Bobby Fried
This is to have true success. Now, unfortunately for me, Smithsonian definition of success, I wasn't very successful. I was all about scorecard. Then how fast, how soon, how much? As a marketing executive, I guess I made my fair share of hires and helped hire people and made my share of money. But I'm not so sure I was making a lot of meaning.

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Bobby Fried
What I did know what I didn't know. It wasn't it enough to have etched on my tombstone? Here lies Bobby Freed. He sold a lot of stuff. Not that. Not the selling is not important. It just wasn't the totality of what I needed to be because I needed to know like others before me. Joe, that sure success always involves others beyond yourself, and that true success is achieving that delicate balance, if you will, between making money and making meaning.

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Bobby Fried
But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know, you can make even more meaning sometimes when you make money. See Oprah Winfrey, Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett. I believe you're beginning to live a life of purpose. When you plant trees and you shade, you do not expect to sit. That's one of the reasons we started planning the products.

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Bobby Fried
But Martin Luther King once said the purpose of life should be a life of purpose. But here's the problem. There was this research study done by Dr. William Moore, and he has 3000 supposedly high achievers. What their true purpose in life was. They did this a whopping a whopping 94% said we have no idea what our true purpose in life is.

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Bobby Fried
Well, if that's the case, then I'll tell you one on happiness. And happiness is not knowing what you want and killing yourself to get it, not knowing what you want and killing yourself to get it. You know, some people refer to this great country of ours, USA, as the United States and anxiety. Think about it. We're among the best fed, most highest paid people in the world, but we don't even rank among the top 50 countries when it comes to happiness that's reserved for mostly Scandinavian countries.

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Bobby Fried
Costa Rica comes to mind, go figure with happiness goes beyond making just making money. I think the most happy countries tend to understand things more clearly, like things like health is wealth. And look, finding your true purpose is hard work. It doesn't come as an epiphany. It doesn't come gift wrap. It starts just kind of an itch. It starts inside your soul, if you will.

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Bobby Fried
Like, How can I take my strengths and apply them back to help others? And I think when trying to define our purpose, we might hear the words from the little prince when he said something like One sees clearly only with the.

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Joe Carr
Heart one sees clearly only with the heart. That makes me think of a project that you have underway, which we're going to get to in a few minutes, because obviously you brought some real passion to this and from a personal perspective. But Bobby has written an e-book called A Cancer Survivors Etiquette Guide How to Act and Communicate with Someone You Know, Battling Cancer.

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Joe Carr
We're going to talk about that project and make a version available to our listeners through a link in the show notes. More to come on that. So there's kind of a teaser about what's coming up here. But Bobby, more about your philosophy in the book, you talk about the importance of building a personal brand. Why is that so important?

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Bobby Fried
Well, I think people who are truly successful understand that importance of personal brand building, which, by the way, it comes in awful handy in their all important job search interview. Well, let me put it this way. Just like the CEO of a company, you're in charge of your own personal brand. Okay. You're not Nike in that Google. You're not Apple, Facebook or Twitter, but you're in charge of a vitally important brand called Get This Me Inc.

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Bobby Fried
Okay. And your personal brand kind of creature appropriate, if you will, for who you are and the value you offer to others. And again, remember, people buy valuables from people they value bag. I got a stock tips for you all today. You want to buy stock and take personal stock in a company called Meat Inc? It'll be the best investment you ever make.

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Bobby Fried
Remember it really, when you stop and think about the most important start up on this planet is you. And how should I say this? We all need to become entrepreneurs of our own existence.

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Joe Carr
There's a certain fluidity to this too, isn't there? We need to kind of redefine ourselves in turbulent times and think of the pandemic that we're living through as a great example of that.

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Bobby Fried
Yeah, I would say that truly successful people like companies and organizations are in it and should be in a conscious state of evolution or what we call beta. We need to reboot and pivot now and then, as you mentioned, especially in these turbulent times, I mean, look no further and how our whole education system has to rethink itself and rely more on the tools of technology during the pandemic and during the pandemic.

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Bobby Fried
How would you like to be a restaurant owner or the owner of a cruise ship? Like you'd have to rethink your marketing plan. Look, companies have product cycles. We as people have life cycles. And this is great quote, no man that they have this right. No man steps in the same river twice. Guess what? It's not the same river.

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Bobby Fried
And he's not the same man. And a lot of people, a lot of famous people have reinvented themselves. And let me tick off a few Lady Gaga or should she reinvent yourself every time she walks on stage? We all remember George Foreman as the surly heavyweight champion. Nobody liked him. But then he went on to be a smiling pitchman for the George Foreman grilling machine and products and services beyond.

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Bobby Fried
Mark Wahlberg went from being a juvenile delinquent to a rock star to a Calvin Klein underwear model to a famous actor. In short, I don't think you're never too old Joe, or even too young to reinvent yourself. Grandma Moses started painting at age 76 and didn't quit till age one or three. But on flip side, hockey great Sidney Crosby started practicing his autograph, get this, at age seven, thinking it would come in handy someday after a couple of gold medals in Stanley Cups.

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Bobby Fried
He certainly did. So my point is simple. We've got to stay nimble, because as long as we have life, our life story is still unfolding.

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Joe Carr
You referenced the sort of the pace of the world that we live in now, very fast paced, digital, everything's connected. And that makes your time management sort of a challenge for all of us to have thoughts on ways we can get better at using our time more wisely.

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Bobby Fried
Yeah, I like to call it and time management investing your time and energy wisely. You know, for most of us, we always seem to be racing around. At first off, let me say this. If you don't know what really matters most and you haven't taken the time to do that, you're always going to have a problem with time management.

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Bobby Fried
But to truly understand time management, I think we need to go back to the days of the Greeks, the Greek short. There were two types of time. The first one was chronological chronos time. No, one minute, no one hour, and no one day was any more important than any other. It was just straight linear time, but it was another type of time called kg.

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Bobby Fried
Time not to be spent, but to be saved, right? Not to be spent, but to be invested on things that really matter most. Honing in, if you will, on the A's, not so much the B and C look, we all have the same 24 hours a day as Lady Gaga, Tim Cook, Oprah Winfrey and Steven Spielberg. It's up to us to use those hours wisely.

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Bobby Fried
You know, it's been said many times that time the time is a tiring, au contraire, time is not a tyrant. Time is the great equalizer. And as we all know, time is fleeting. So none of us know how much time we have left. So we have to make every sunset count. And that's what I'm trying to do here in Carmel, California.

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Joe Carr
Where they're beautiful. So it works out nicely. Three word phrase from your book, Bobby The Conundrum of Connecting. Tell us more about what you mean by that.

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Bobby Fried
Yeah. And in today's digital world, we're presented with a, I think, a conundrum of, as you mentioned, of connectedness, all these wonderful digital tools. At one hand, they're marvelous because they connect us in ways we never dreamed of. But on the other hand, they disconnect because they kind of Robert said, one of the most important human experiences of all the human experience of death, ironically, they tend to make someone we don't know closure, but those who we do know for their part.

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Bobby Fried
But one only has to read the handwritten love letters from previous wars or grandfathers to understand what they mean by depth. I mean what those those letters flew off the page. They were fuego. They were hot. Hey, I'm not saying look, I'm not saying these digital tools aren't wonderful. Heck, they allow me to watch every Providence basketball game where I'm sitting on my butt watching the waves rolling in Carmel.

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Bobby Fried
But what I am saying is this Once in a while, I think we need to take a digital detox. Our concern, if you will not be so much that machines are beginning to sink like people, but rather that people are beginning to think like machines. And and I would add this simply put, there are things in this world we simply can't download.

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Bobby Fried
We need to upload the old fashioned way. One human being to another subject.

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Joe Carr
You've addressed Bobby's goal setting. Why is it seemingly more difficult to set goals in our personal lives than it may be in our professional lives?

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Bobby Fried
When you're right, goal setting in business is business as usual, but setting personal goals, well, that's a horse of a different color. It's a lot tougher. I have my own theory as to why I think most people really don't know the difference between a goal and an objective. So if you bear with me, I'll make it come alive for you.

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Bobby Fried
An objective is general in nature, for instance, an objective would be I like to lose weight, but a goal is always quantifiable. It's got numbers and time attached to it. So it in the weight vernacular, if an objective general I like is like to lose weight, that goal is like to lose £12 in the next 18 months and keep that weight off forever and a sensible diet and exercise program.

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Bobby Fried
You got to think of like this. Goals are really dreams with deadlines attached and big goals produce what you guess, vague results. And I would say one of the biggest reasons people fail to reach their goals is fear of failure. But forget this you go to the Baseball Hall of Fame by failing to hit a three times, do the math.

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Bobby Fried
You get one hit of three times that that you batting two three unless you're Pete Rose and bet on baseball, you're on your way to Cooperstown. And we all know this. The best salespeople, they get turned down seven out of ten times a day, but they just view the numbers as a mere gateway to. Yes, simply put, high achieving people are not afraid to fail.

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Joe Carr
So I thank you, Bobby, for taking us through some of the the points to some of the areas that you cover in your book. Again, the name of the book is Igniting Your True Purpose and Passion and Listener. As you can tell from this discussion, it's it's enjoyable, it's insightful, it's inspiring. So there's there's a lot there. And it's really great to hear you describe in detail some of the some of your thinking behind some of those important points as we transition to talking about Bobby's next project, a new project, I should say.

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Joe Carr
Let's talk about the matter of perseverance. Bobby. It's been said that a lack of perseverance is self-evident and one reason that people fail to meet their goals. What's your take on the matter of perseverance and how they how that connects to goal setting and goal achievement?

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Bobby Fried
Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Perseverance is a key reason people fail to reach their goals. A lot of people in history persevered and never gave up. Let me tick off a few. Winston Churchill. Oh, when he was the odds on favorite to become prime minister at age 35. But he didn't become prime minister to age 66 when World War Two broke out.

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Bobby Fried
Well, Disney, if you believe this or not, it was fired by the Kansas City Star for LAX, get this, for lack of creativity. Soap opera actress Susan Lucci, she lost a coveted bid for an Emmy 19 straight times before she finally won. That's a lot of not a rubber chicken dinners. We all know this. Abe Lincoln lost a memorable string of elections prior to winning the presidency of the United States and arguably becoming one of our best presidents ever.

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Bobby Fried
Michael Jordan, we all know this was cut in the sophomore year of his basketball team in high school. Jennifer Hudson comes to mind. She's voted off American Idol. She goes on to win an Academy Award for her spellbinding performance in Dreamgirls. J.K. Rowling comes to mind. She sits around her kitchen table, two kids on welfare and attends a little thing called Harry Potter.

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Bobby Fried
Point here is, is don't give up too soon. And life is either really a daring adventure or simply nothing at all. And look, 100 as Thompson, one of my favorite writers, lives here, lived here in Carmel, and he has a great quote that reminds us that we should all live life in kind of a vivid color and like to read that quote to you.

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Bobby Fried
Now, one of my favorites. Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid broadside in a cloud of smoke through the used up, totally worn out and lively proclaiming. Wow, what a ride.

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Joe Carr
It's almost definitely the first Hunter Thompson reference in the Providence College podcast history. So thank you for that. Good stuff. On the matter of perseverance, Bobby, and this is leading to the discussion of your new project. You had your own personal test, which led you recently to write a short e-book called The Cancer Survivors Guide How to Act and Communicate with Someone You Know, Battling Cancer.

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Joe Carr
Tell us about your experience and what led to this book.

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Bobby Fried
Well, over the years, friends and colleagues have asked me, hey, you've written two bestselling books. You got a bestseller in China now. And and how come you you've never written about surviving cancer? My answer was quick and simple. Hey, I don't want to be pigeonholed as only a cancer survivor. I'm more than I'm proud of it, but I'm more than that.

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Bobby Fried
But then I got to thinking, if someone thought less than me for being a survivor, that's probably someone I ought not to meet. Look, we all. We all, unfortunately, know someone battling cancer, but how should we act? How do we communicate with our friends and family? Upon hearing this shocking news? And out of this was born. Something I call a cancer survivor.

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Bobby Fried
Educated how to act and communicate with someone, you know, battling cancer. And, of course, we we all know someone battling cancer. What's been amazing is the reaction to this little e-book has been overwhelmingly positive and gratifying. I'm cancer centers around the world are using it as part of their orientation package for family and cancer patients and it's it's been it's been the response has been absolutely amazing.

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Bobby Fried
I'm getting emails from people around the world I never heard of telling me that this little this little book, this little tiny little book, it helped them immensely communicate with those they know battling cancer. Who knew? And I tell you, it feels good to be able to make some meaning beyond just just money. And maybe this is this is really my true success.

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Bobby Fried
Who knew?

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Joe Carr
Well, thank you for sharing that, Bobbie. And listeners, we're going to make a version of that e-book in which Bobbie provides more detail on his own personal experience here available to you. Check the show notes for a YouTube link where you will find Bobby's narration of this lovely, meaningful work. As Bobbie mentioned, is getting a lot of well-deserved attention, and we think you will both enjoy it and gain some useful insights.

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Joe Carr
By the way, the title of Bobby's first book, the one that we talked about at the beginning of our conversation, once again is igniting your true purpose and passion. It's insightful and annotating, and I think you might enjoy that, too. Bobby Freed, thank you for joining us today. This has been both fun and illuminating.

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Bobby Fried
It's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Joe Carr
By the way, back to the beginning, is Jimmie Walker the greatest friar player? In your experience.

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Bobby Fried
Not only the greatest fire player, I think he's one of the best collegiate players of all time.

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Joe Carr
High praise. There you go. So and well-deserved honor coming his way. It's been fun to talk about Friar Hoops with you as well today. Maybe we can talk again someday. Just on that subject. That would be fine. Sure. What? It sounds good. Our guest has been Bobby Freed and thank you, listeners. A reminder that you can find all of the Providence College podcast, the usual places and on PCS news website and the college's YouTube channel for producer Chris Judge, I'm Joe Carr.

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Joe Carr
Until next time.